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 Post subject: Garmin Rally XC200
PostPosted: 20 Dec 2021, 18:22 
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Jeg overvejer at købe en julegave til mig selv :D
Nye pedaler med effektmåler - Garmin Rally XC200. https://www.garmin.com/da-DK/p/658594
Nogen som har dem, og kan komme med erfaringer?
Det er jo nemt at skiftet dem rundt på de forskellige cykler, så der altid er effektmåling, men er det for udsat, hvis man rammer en sten eller andet hårdt på sporet?
Og er det godt nok med Rally XC100? hvor der kun måles på den ene pedal.
Og hvilken Garmin cykel computer passer til pedalerne?
Hvis man søger på kompatible produkter til Rally XC200, kan min EDGE 530 bruges, men laves den omvendte søgning, skal man op i en EDGE 1030.
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 Post subject: Re: Garmin Rally XC200
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Wattpedaler passer med cykelcomputere på tværs af producenter, hvis du undlader at købe en helt billig computer.

De første Garmin pedaler skulle spændes med moment for at vise rigtigt, jeg ved ikke om det er det samme med deres XC modeller-

Jeg kan ikke forstille mig nogen wattpedal holder til gentagende påkørsler i længden.

Om du skal have single eller dual måling kommer nok an hvor meget du gider nørde.
Personligt havde jeg hellere købt to sæt single side, end at skulle flytte pedalerne rundt imellem cyklerne.

Jeg har wattmåler på min racer og gravel, men jeg har ikke på min mtb, da jeg ikke selv kan kontrollere hvor mange watt jeg ligger i skoven, dertil er terrænet for varieret.
Træning med wattmåler kræver at du strukturere din træning og gider sætte dig ind i det, eller er det bare dyrt legetøj.

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin Rally XC200
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Kenny rammer meget godt, mener de nye Garmin pedaler er lidt "nemmere" at omgås end Vector modellerne.
Se evt her : https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/03/gar ... k-keo.html

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin Rally XC200
PostPosted: 20 Dec 2021, 22:21 
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Niels G Henningsen wrote:
........Se evt her : https://www.dcrainmaker.......
Jeg har lært det Niels :wink:
Husk altid at se test hos "dcrainmaker", og jeg har læst den.
Men kan ikke gennemskue, om jeg får alle informationer på EDGE 530, eller om en EDGE 1030 er nødvendig. Og hvis jeg ikke får alle informationerne med det samme, om jeg så kan se dem på Garmin Connect efterfølgende, for så kan jeg nøjes med Rally XC100 og spare de ekstra kr.


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Du kan prøve , at se hvilke data felter du kan vælge på din 530’er. Undervejs kigger jeg kun på 3 sek average power .

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1030 er tæt på ubrugelig, den fryser og meget andet, konstant, 1030plus er meget bedre.

Hvilke funktioner er du i tvivl om 530 har

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin Rally XC200
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Kenny wrote:
....Hvilke funktioner er du i tvivl om 530 har
Jeg er i tvivl om min EDGE 530 kan vise venstre/højre - balance" - effekten, eller den kun kan vise/modtage effekten fra en effekt måler, som er det XC100 har. Altså om jeg køber et par XC200 men ikke kan se, modtage og analysere alle data.
Nu har jeg så gennemgået alle de mulige felter på skærmen, og læst ekstra på Garmin data fields, og kan se, at det er muligt at få vist data fra XC200.
Jeg er af den overbevisning, at med måling på kun den ene pedalarm, som XC100, er den viste effekt ikke nøjagtig, da der er forskel på højre/venstre tråd.
Jeg har blot været i tvivl, da Garmin ikke har EDGE 530 som kompatibel enhed med XC200.


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Data Fields
Some data fields require optional accessories to display data.

%FTP
The current power output as a percentage of functional threshold power.

%Heart Rate Reserve
The percentage of heart rate reserve (maximum heart rate minus resting heart rate).

%Max Heart Rate
The percentage of maximum heart rate.

10s Balance
The 10-second moving average of the left/right power balance.

10s Power
The 10-second moving average of power output.

10s Watts/kg
The 10-second moving average of power output in watts per kilogram.

30s Balance
The 30-second moving average of the left/right power balance.


30s Power
The 30-second moving average of power output.

30s VAM
The 30-second moving average of the average ascent velocity.

30s Watts/kg
The 30-second moving average of power output in watts per kilogram.

3s Balance
The three-second moving average of the left/right power balance.


3s Power
The 3-second moving average of power output.

3s Watts/kg
The 3-second moving average of power output in watts per kilogram.

60s Flow
The 60-second moving average of the flow score.

60s Grit
The 60-second moving average of the grit score.

Aerobic Training Effect
The impact of the current activity on your aerobic fitness level.

Anaerobic Training Effect
The impact of the current activity on your anaerobic fitness level.

Asc. to Next Course Pt.
The remaining ascent to the next point on the course.

Ascent Remaining
During a workout or course, the remaining ascent when you are using an elevation target.

Assist Mode
The current eBike assistance mode.

Avg %HRR
The average percentage of heart rate reserve (maximum heart rate minus resting heart rate) for the current activity.

Avg %Max Heart Rate
The average percentage of maximum heart rate for the current activity.

Avg Balance
The average left/right power balance for the current activity.

Avg Cadence
Cycling. The average cadence for the current activity.

Avg Heart Rate
The average heart rate for the current activity.

Avg L. Peak Pwr Phase
The average power phase peak angle for the left leg for the current activity.


Avg Lap Time
The average lap time for the current activity.

Avg Left Pwr Phase
The average power phase angle for the left leg for the current activity.


Avg PCO
The average platform center offset for the current activity.

Avg Power
The average power output for the current activity.

Avg R. Peak Pwr Phase
The average power phase peak angle for the right leg for the current activity.

Avg Right Pwr Phase
The average power phase angle for the right leg for the current activity.


Avg Speed
The average speed for the current activity.

Avg VAM
The average ascent velocity for the current activity.

Avg Watts/kg
The average power output in watts per kilogram.

Balance
The current left/right power balance.

Battery Level
The remaining battery power.

Battery Status
The remaining battery power of a bike light accessory.

Beam Angle Status
The headlight beam mode.

Cadence
Cycling. The number of revolutions of the crank arm. Your device must be connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear.

Cadence Bars
A bar graph showing your current, average, and maximum cycling cadence values for the current activity.

Cadence Graph
A line graph showing your cycling cadence values for the current activity.

Calories
The amount of total calories burned.

Calories to Go
During a workout, the remaining calories when you are using a calorie target.

Course Pt. Distance
The remaining distance to the next point on the course.

Destination Location
The last point on the route or course.

Di2 Battery Level
The remaining battery power of a Di2 sensor.

Di2 Shift Mode
The current shift mode of a Di2 sensor.

Distance
The distance traveled for the current track or activity.

Distance Ahead
The distance ahead or behind the Virtual Partner®.

Distance to Destination
The remaining distance to the final destination. You must be navigating for this data to appear.

Distance to Go
During a workout or course, the remaining distance when you are using a distance target.

Distance to Next
The remaining distance to the next waypoint on the route. You must be navigating for this data to appear.

Duration
The time remaining for the current workout step.

eBike Battery
The remaining battery power of an eBike.

Elapsed Time
The total time recorded. For example, if you start the timer and run for 10 minutes, then stop the timer for 5 minutes, then start the timer and run for 20 minutes, your elapsed time is 35 minutes.

Elevation
The altitude of your current location above or below sea level.

Elevation Graph
A line graph showing your current elevation, total ascent, and total descent for the current activity.

EPOC
The amount of excess post-exercise oxygen consumption (EPOC) for the current activity. EPOC indicates the strenuousness of your workout.

ETA at Destination
The estimated time of day when you will reach the final destination (adjusted to the local time of the destination). You must be navigating for this data to appear.

ETA at Next
The estimated time of day when you will reach the next waypoint on the route (adjusted to the local time of the waypoint). You must be navigating for this data to appear.

Flow
The measurement of how consistently you maintain speed and smoothness through turns in the current activity.

Front Gear
The front bike gear from a gear position sensor.

Gear Battery
The battery status of a gear position sensor.

Gear Combo
The current gear combination from a gear position sensor.

Gear Ratio
The number of teeth on the front and rear bike gears, as detected by a gear position sensor.

Gears
The front and rear bike gears from a gear position sensor.

GPS Signal Strength
The strength of the GPS satellite signal.

Grade
The calculation of rise (elevation) over run (distance). For example, if for every 3 m (10 ft.) you climb you travel 60 m (200 ft.), the grade is 5%.

Grit
The measurement of difficulty for the current activity based on elevation, gradient, and rapid changes in direction.

Heading
The direction you are moving.

Heart Rate
Your heart rate in beats per minute (bpm). Your device must be connected to a compatible heart rate monitor.

Heart Rate Bars
A bar graph showing your current, average, and maximum heart rate values for the current activity.

Heart Rate Graph
A line graph showing your current, average, and maximum heart rate values for the current activity.

Heart Rate to Go
During a workout, the amount you are above or below the heart rate target.

Heart Rate Zone
The current range of your heart rate (1 to 5). The default zones are based on your user profile and maximum heart rate (220 minus your age).

HR Zone Graph
A line graph showing your current heart rate zone (1 to 5).

Intensity Factor
The Intensity Factor™ for the current activity.

Kilojoules
The accumulated work performed (power output) in kilojoules.

Lap %HRR
The average percentage of heart rate reserve (maximum heart rate minus resting heart rate) for the current lap.

Lap %Max Heart Rate
The average percentage of maximum heart rate for the current lap.

Lap Balance
The average left/right power balance for the current lap.

Lap Cadence
Cycling. The average cadence for the current lap.

Lap Distance
The distance traveled for the current lap.

Lap Flow
The overall flow score for the current lap.

Lap Grit
The overall grit score for the current lap.

Lap Heart Rate
The average heart rate for the current lap.

Lap L. Peak Pwr Phase
The average power phase peak angle for the left leg for the current lap.

Lap Left Pwr Phase
The average power phase angle for the left leg for the current lap.

Lap NP
The average Normalized Power for the current lap.

Lap PCO
The average platform center offset for the current lap.

Lap Power
The average power output for the current lap.

Lap R. Peak Pwr Phase
The average power phase peak angle for the right leg for the current lap.

Lap Right Pwr Phase
The average power phase angle for the right leg for the current lap.

Laps
The number of laps completed for the current activity.

Lap Speed
The average speed for the current lap.

Lap Time
The stopwatch time for the current lap.

Lap Time Seated
The time spent seated while pedaling for the current lap.

Lap Time Standing
The time spent standing while pedaling for the current lap.

Lap VAM
The average ascent velocity for the current lap.

Lap Watts/kg
The average power output in watts per kilogram for the current lap.

Last Lap Distance
The distance traveled for the last completed lap.

Last Lap Heart Rate
The average heart rate for the last completed lap.

Last Lap NP
The average Normalized Power for the last completed lap.

Last Lap Power
The average power output for the last completed lap.

Last Lap Speed
The average speed for the last completed lap.

Last Lap Time
The stopwatch time for the last completed lap.

Left Peak Pwr Phase
The current power phase peak angle for the left leg. Power phase peak is the angle range over which the rider produces the peak portion of the driving force.

Left Power Phase
The current power phase angle for the left leg. Power phase is the pedal stroke region where positive power is produced.

Light Mode
The light network configuration mode.

Lights Connected
The number of connected lights.

Max Lap Power
The top power output for the current lap.

Max Power
The top power output for the current activity.

Max Speed
The top speed for the current activity.

Next Point Location
The next point on the route or course.

Normalized Power
The Normalized Power™ for the current activity.

Odometer
A running tally of distance traveled for all trips. This total does not clear when resetting the trip data.

Pedal Smoothness
The measurement of how evenly a rider is applying force to the pedals throughout each pedal stroke.

Performance Condition
The performance condition score is a real-time assessment of your ability to perform.

Platform Center Offset
The platform center offset. Platform center offset is the location on the pedal platform where force is applied.

Power
The current power output in watts. Your device must be connected to a compatible power meter.

Power Bars
A bar graph showing your current, average, and maximum power output values for the current activity.

Power Graph
A line graph showing your current, average, and maximum power output values for the current activity.

Power Zone
The current range of power output (1 to 7) based on your FTP or custom settings.

Rear Gear
The rear bike gear from a gear position sensor.

Reps to Go
During a workout, the remaining repetitions.

Respiration Rate
Your respiration rate in breaths per minute (brpm).

Right Peak Pwr Phase
The current power phase peak angle for the right leg. Power phase peak is the angle range over which the rider produces the peak portion of the driving force.

Right Power Phase
The current power phase angle for the right leg. Power phase is the pedal stroke region where positive power is produced.

Shifting Advice
The recommendation to shift up or down based on your current effort. Your eBike must be in manual shifting mode.

Speed
The current rate of travel.

Speed Bars
A bar graph showing your current, average, and maximum speed values for the current activity.

Speed Graph
A line graph showing your speed for the current activity.

Step Time
The time elapsed for the current workout step.

Sunrise
The time of sunrise based on your GPS position.

Sunset
The time of sunset based on your GPS position.

Target
During a workout, the target for the workout step.

Target Power
The target power output during an activity.

Temperature
The temperature of the air. Your body temperature affects the temperature sensor.

Time Ahead
The time ahead or behind the Virtual Partner.

Time in Zone
The time elapsed in each heart rate or power zone.

Time of Day
The time of day based on your current location and time settings (format, time zone, daylight saving time).

Timer
The stopwatch time for the current activity.

Time Seated
The time spent seated while pedaling for the current activity.

Time Standing
The time spent standing while pedaling for the current activity.

Time to Destination
The estimated time remaining before you reach the destination. You must be navigating for this data to appear.

Time to Go
During a workout or course, the remaining time when you are using a time target.

Time to Next
The estimated time remaining before you reach the next waypoint in the route. You must be navigating for this data to appear.

Torque Effectiveness
The measurement of how efficiently a rider is pedaling.

Total Ascent
The total elevation distance ascended since the last reset.

Total Descent
The total elevation distance descended since the last reset.

Trainer Resistance
The resistance force applied by an indoor trainer.

Travel Range
The estimated distance you can travel based on the current eBike settings and remaining battery power.

TSS
The Training Stress Score™ for the current activity.

VAM
The average ascent velocity for the current activity.

Watts/kg
The amount of power output in watts per kilogram.

Workout Comparison
A graph comparing your current effort to the workout target.

Workout Step
During a workout, the current step out of the total number of steps.

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin Rally XC200
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2021, 11:37 
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Jeg ville ringe og spørge feks pulsure.dk som lever af at sælge den slags, om 530 kan det du ønsker.

Det er klart at XC200 måler mere præcis, men er det vigtigt om du træder 330 eller 350watt så længe målingerne er konsistente.
Jeg mener at have hørt, at højre ben ofte træder færre watt end venstre, så det vil ikke være godt for dit watt tal at måle på begge ben når du praler i saunaen :)

Efter min blodprop trænede jeg seriøst 4dage om ugen i 9måneder med wattmåler. Min erfaring er at det er det er meget svært at holde en bestemt effekt, selv på flad vej. Der skal ikke meget til at springe 50+/-watt, at koordinere højre og venstre ben til samme effekt vil være umuligt, men du får selvfølgelig muligheden for at se om du skal træne det ene ben mere end det andet.

Watttræning kræver at du planlægger hvor du kører, det meste træning kræver så flad vej som muligt, hårde intervaller kan kræve en lang stejl bakke med mulighed for at vende rundt og komme ned i bunden i en fart, for at komme op igen, eller flere rullebakker i træk der passermed dine intervaller, det er ikke helt nemt, men man lære sit lokalområde at kende på en ny måde.

At træne efter watt vil være fuldstændig umuligt på MTB, med mindre du bare vil bruge den til at aflæse max og gns watt på en tur hvor du giver max gas.

Jeg har brugt stages med en enkelt pedalarm og det har fungeret fint for mig.

Har du set https://graspor.com som alternativ til wattmåler.
Jeg har ikke sat mig ind i om det er et reelt alternativ, men tror de kan lejes

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin Rally XC200
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2022, 15:10 
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Så blev det sen jul :)


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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2022, 16:26 
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God fornøjelse, så kan vi andre også se "hvad vi er oppe imod" :-)

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Virkede de der Garmin pedaler godt Carsten ?


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 Post subject: Re: Garmin Rally XC200
PostPosted: 25 Apr 2022, 09:03 
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Morten Hartvigsen wrote:
Virkede de der Garmin pedaler godt Carsten ?
De fungerer rigtig godt. Jeg har droppet pulsbæltet, og kører udelukkende efter: 3s Power, NP, IF og TSS.
De er helt klart med til et give mig et mere rundt tråd.
Eneste funktion der ikke vises korrekt er stående/siddende tid.
Den ene pedal knirker, og jeg kan ikke finde ud af smøre den, men det lykkedes formentlig.


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Du har tjekket dine klamper ?

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